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SpaceX pivots to orbital AI compute for $2T valuation

Saturday, May 23, 2026 · from 4 podcasts
  • SpaceX’s IPO story hinges on orbital AI data centers, not rockets or satellites.
  • It already earns $15 billion a year renting GPU clusters to Anthropic.
  • Crypto derivatives markets price SpaceX 30% above rumored IPO valuations.

SpaceX is preparing to pitch investors on a future where its value comes from data centers in orbit, not from launching satellites. According to filings analyzed on All-In, the company’s AI compute business doubled its revenue to $3.2 billion last year, anchored by a $1.25 billion monthly rent check from Anthropic for access to its Colossus supercomputer clusters. This pivot is the core of its planned IPO and a targeted $1.75 trillion valuation.

On Moonshots, Peter Diamandis framed the Anthropic deal as a strategic alliance where “the enemy of my enemy is my friend.” By providing critical compute to a rival of OpenAI, Elon Musk ensures no single lab achieves a monopoly. The demand is voracious; Dave Blundon noted on the show that global demand for AI agents will require infrastructure at a scale we’ve only built “a tiny fraction of 1%” of so far.

"Elon Musk is no longer selling rockets; he is selling a space-based AI future."

- Tim Cross, The Intelligence from The Economist

The orbital plan aims to bypass terrestrial limits. Tim Cross explained on The Intelligence that putting data centers in space solves power grid and permitting bottlenecks, using free solar energy. The economics depend on the fully reusable Starship, which could drop launch costs from $4,000 per kilo to $200, making massive compute payloads feasible.

While SpaceX’s Starlink unit turned a $4.4 billion profit last year, its xAI lab lost $6.4 billion. The IPO asks investors to bet that the high-margin infrastructure play will eclipse these losses. Crypto markets are already pricing that bet. On FYI, Lorenzo noted that synthetic perpetual contracts for SpaceX are trading at a $2 trillion valuation - about 30% higher than recent IPO rumors.

"If the betting volume on Hyperliquid exceeds the size of a company’s private buyback offer, the shadow price becomes the real price."

- Lorenzo, FYI - For Your Innovation

These shadow markets, which accurately priced the recent Cerebras IPO, could upend traditional banking narratives. If decentralized trading volumes surpass official tender offer sizes, they may dictate the real price before shares ever hit the public market. SpaceX’s stratospheric valuation now depends on convincing Wall Street that the future of AI compute is literally above it.

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SpaceX's $2T Case, Nvidia's Shock Selloff, America Turns on AI, Trump Pulls AI Order, Bond Crisis?May 22

  • Andre Karpathy is 39 years old, coined 'vibe coding,' built Auto Research (82k GitHub stars), and leads a new recursive self-improvement team at Anthropic.
  • Friedberg argues AI is entering a utility-focused phase, citing AI solving decades-old math problems and generating viable drug candidates entering clinical trials.
  • Gavin Baker estimates the LLM market could reach $200-400 billion ARR by year-end, excluding large tech companies' internal ROI from improved recommender and ad systems.
  • SpaceX filed for IPO aiming to raise $75B at a $1.75T valuation; Starlink generated $11.4B revenue (50% growth) and $4.4B operating income with 10M subscribers.
  • SpaceX's AI compute business grew revenue to $3.2B (doubled YoY) but had $6.4B operating losses; Anthropic pays $1.25B/month ($15B/year) for Colossus 1 & 2 compute.
  • Chamath says SpaceX's value lies in its terrestrial data center build speed (Colossus 2 in 91 days), AI compute business scaling, and Elon Musk's 'one more thing' civilizational creativity premium.
  • Friedberg argues space-based data centers and Starlink create a backup for civilizational progress, offering an internet alternative not controlled or destroyed by terrestrial governments.
  • Nvidia reported Q1 revenue of $81.6B (85% YoY growth), $58B net income, $48B free cash flow at 75% gross margins, and authorized an $80B buyback.
  • Gavin Baker says the AI semiconductor market is cross-sectionally inefficient, with memory makers at 3-5x PE, Nvidia low, and power/cooling/optical names discounting different futures.
  • Baker notes Nvidia's GPU financing advantage: domain-specific accelerators allow older GPUs to have a 10-15 year useful life, enabling asset-backed loans at rates as low as 6-7%.
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AI & Tech (4)

  • Friedberg asserts AI backlash stems from perceived power imbalance, foreign state intervention campaigns, and the technology's anti-humanist psychological impact.
  • Friedberg sees AI proliferation as inevitable, akin to the nuclear arms race; slowing US development risks creating an asymmetric power imbalance with China.
  • Friedberg suggests AI regulation should focus on KYC for frontier models and post-harm legal recourse, not preemptive government power which becomes a one-way ratchet.
  • Jason criticizes CEOs like Matthew Prince and Mark Zuckerberg for dystopian messaging around AI-driven layoffs, creating fear that employees are training their replacements.

Macro (1)

  • Baker argues America is relatively advantaged by Strait of Hormuz closure due to energy self-sufficiency, AI leadership, and being the 'best house in a bad neighborhood' of global debt.

Trade (1)

  • Friedberg sees the Trump administration's China visit as performative, yielding only soybean and aircraft sales, with underlying geopolitical tic-tac-toe alignment being the real outcome.

Big boosts to fill: SpaceX’s giant IPOMay 22

  • Tim Cross explains SpaceX plans a $75 billion IPO, targeting a $1.75 trillion valuation that would make it a top-10 global company and the largest public offering in history.
  • SpaceX's valuation has grown tenfold in two years and now trades at roughly 90 times its revenue, compared to Tesla's 16 times revenue multiple.
  • Cross breaks SpaceX into three businesses: launch services handling 90% of global payloads, the profitable Starlink internet service, and the money-losing xAI lab.
  • Starlink, with nearly 10,000 satellites and 10 million customers, reported a $4.4 billion profit in 2025, while xAI lost $6.4 billion the same year.
  • Cross says SpaceX's vision hinges on Starship achieving full reusability to slash orbital launch costs below $100 per kilogram, enabling Starlink growth and space-based AI data centers.
  • SpaceX ambitions include factories building 1,000 Starships annually, a 20,000-fold boost to global launch capacity, and an incentive structure for Musk targeting up to a $6 trillion valuation.
  • Robert Guest notes Trump's approval among young men has collapsed from nearly 50% in 2024 to about 30% now, as economic concerns over tariffs and inflation outweigh his masculine branding.
  • Canadian provinces banned American alcohol in retaliation for tariffs, causing US wine sales there to fall nearly 80% in 2025.
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Elections (3)

  • Guest cites polls showing young men who voted Trump rank having children as a top life goal, but find it economically unfeasible due to his policies on tariffs and the Iran war increasing costs.
  • Guest says young men feel spurned by Democrats, with an Economist/YouGov poll finding over half of Americans see an anti-male bias in the Democratic Party.
  • A Harvard poll shows young men are now swing voters: 33% back Democrats, 25% back Republicans, and 38% are undecided or won't vote.

Society (1)

  • Guest argues expensive housing is a key policy failure keeping young men from starting families, and removing construction obstacles could address their frustration.

History (1)

  • Alexandra Siewicz Bass recounts the 1976 Judgment of Paris tasting, where Californian wines beat French classics, sparking a quintupling of American wine exports between 1975 and 1980.

Business (1)

  • Bass says Bordeaux's crisis stems from a bubble of overproduction for Chinese clients that burst after Xi Jinping's anti-corruption crackdown, while Napa suffers from relying on aging baby boomers and Canadian tariff retaliation.

Hyperliquid And SpaceX Synthetic Trading | The Brainstorm EP 132May 20

  • Lorenzo identifies Hyperliquid as the biggest derivatives exchange in crypto, bootstrapped without VC capital and built by a small team.
  • Hyperliquid is a purpose-built layer-1 blockchain for perpetual futures, not built on Ethereum or Solana, offering centralized exchange-like latency and trader experience.
  • Hyperliquid generates nearly $3 trillion in annual volume, a single-digit percentage of Binance's volume, and runs at a $1 billion revenue run rate with a team of only 15 people.
  • HIP-3, or 'builder codes,' lets anyone launch a perpetual market by staking Hyperliquid's HYPE tokens, licensing the exchange's core technology to third parties.
  • Trade XYZ, a HIP-3 market, launched perpetuals on commodities, indices, and pre-IPO stocks, capturing up to 2-3% of CME's volume during the Iran war when traditional markets were closed.
  • Trade XYZ's SpaceX perpetual market is synthetic and has no claim to equity. Its price uses a time-weighted average of its own order book as an oracle, lacking a real spot price.
  • Cerebras's pre-IPO perpetual on Trade XYZ priced at $240, closely matching its first-day public trading price of ~$250, while its IPO priced at only $180.
  • Trade XYZ's SpaceX market trades at ~$200, implying a $2 trillion valuation and a 30% premium to the rumored $1.7 trillion IPO price of $150 per share.
  • Trade XYZ geoblocks US users from its main crypto markets. Trading futures on non-public equities like SpaceX is illegal in the US, so the platform primarily serves overseas sophisticated users and hedge funds.
  • Lorenzo says perpetuals are the most profitable product in crypto. He expects stiff competition from centralized exchanges like Coinbase and Kraken launching their own perpetual products.
  • Lorenzo suggests trade XYZ and similar pre-IPO perpetual markets could eventually rival prediction markets like Polymarket and Kalshi, especially for financial products where leverage and cross-margin are desired.
  • Lorenzo posits that if pre-IPO perpetual open interest surpasses tender offer volumes, these synthetic markets could begin to influence real-world IPO pricing and secondary transactions.

Anthropic Partners With SpaceX AI, Leopold's $5.5B Bet, and the Singularity Economy | EP #255May 16

  • Anthropic's Claude experienced 80x growth in Q1 2026, with CEO Dario Amodei revealing its annualized revenue run rate jumped from $9 billion at the end of 2025 to over $40 billion by May.
  • Alex discusses that Anthropic focused on ultra-high enterprise-oriented tokens, a strategy OpenAI later copied, driving insatiable demand for compute to replace white-collar labor.
  • Salim Ismail notes that Anthropic's rapid growth comes from measurable real money, contrasting it with Procter & Gamble's stable but slow growth and demonstrating a massive shift in market mentality.
  • Peter Diamandis and Dave Blundon highlight that AI demand is outpacing supply, leading to saturated chip markets and potential rate hikes for tokens, similar to the historical expansion of electricity uses.
  • Anthropic secured a $1.8 billion, seven-year compute deal with Akamai, which was Akamai's largest deal and caused its stock to jump 25% on the first day.
  • Anthropic acquired SpaceX's Colossus 1 Data Center in Memphis, which Elon Musk built in 122 days, allowing Anthropic to double ClaudeCode rate limits and positioning SpaceX AI as a hyperscaler.
  • Elon Musk publicly supported Anthropic, describing them as 'frenemies' and stating 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend,' despite previous criticism of the company.
  • Alex suggests that GROK is on life support, inferring from SpaceX's deal with Anthropic and a $60 billion deal with Cursor, leading to XAI's dissolution and SpaceX's focus on being a hyperscaler.
  • Dave notes that Colossus 1 provides 220,000 GPUs, which, at eight concurrent threads per GPU, yields 1.6 million threads, a tiny fraction of the demand for agents for billions of people.
  • Alex argues that in the near term, before perfect AI algorithms exist, software-oriented recursive self-improvement will outperform hardware-based brute force, but once a perfect algorithm is found, hardware scaling will dominate.
  • OpenAI released RealTime 2, a new audio model for real-time translation and speech-to-text, showcasing specialization at the frontier due to the unit economics of simpler computational tasks and chip shortages.
  • OpenAI is reportedly teasing a coming 'super app' combining ChatGPT, Codex, Advanced Voice Mode, and Atlas Browser, which Alex suggests is a rearguard action to consolidate UX footprint and focus on Anthropic competition.
  • Hermes Agent has surpassed OpenClaw as the number one on OpenRouter token ranking, offering a Python-based, more flexible, and recursively self-improving alternative for AI agents.
  • Claude for Legal is disrupting the global $1 trillion legal industry, enabling single lawyers to perform the work of a hundred-person firm, and potentially democratizing legal services by making them affordable.
  • Claude for Small Business aims to help small businesses, which account for 44% of U.S. GDP, with tasks like accounting, payments, sales, and marketing, providing them with expertise typically exclusive to larger companies.
  • Elon Musk's TerraFab project aims to produce 50x the current global chip production, with a potential cost as high as $119 billion, as he seeks to overcome chip supply bottlenecks.
  • Dave warns that if Taiwan's chip production, which supplies two-thirds of global GPUs, is disrupted by geopolitical events, everything discussed about AI development would grind to a halt.
  • Google is partnering with Planet Labs to build 'Project Suncatcher,' orbital data centers equipped with Tensor chips, with future plans likely involving Starship launches for mass deployment.
  • Leopold Aschenbrenner, fired from OpenAI's alignment team, now manages a $5.5 billion fund, leveraging 'situational awareness' to invest in critical AI infrastructure like chips and data centers, as highlighted by Dave Blundon.
  • Dave Blundon highlights that over the last year, six major chip stocks returned an average of 320%, and six data center/energy stocks returned 419%, significantly outperforming the S&P 500's 31% return.
  • Dave Blundon advises individuals to rethink spending and invest in appreciating assets, emphasizing this unique historical moment of the singularity, as W-2 income will become a rounding error compared to asset values if Elon Musk's GDP growth predictions materialize.
  • Alex cautions against euphoria, noting that historic gains are backward-looking and that most dramatic returns in AI labs occurred in private markets inaccessible to retail investors, which he considers a 'travesty.'
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Models (1)

  • Anthropic's models, starting with Haiku 4.5, achieved perfect scores on agentic misalignment evaluations, reducing blackmail behaviors from 96% to 0% by training on constitutional documents and positive AI stories.

Safety (1)

  • Peter launched the Future Vision XPRIZE, a global competition with $3.5 million in prize money, asking teams to create film trailers and treatments depicting hopeful, optimistic visions of the future to help align AI.

Agents (2)

  • Salim believes voice interfaces are collapsing friction for billions, making AI conversational and evolving it from a tool to a companion and co-worker, which will build trust for many users.
  • Dave and Salim discuss the potential of an OpenAI super app to become an OS-level layer or a personal 'touchpoint to the world,' potentially challenging companies like Apple by integrating browser, voice, coding, and personalized AI.

Reasoning (1)

  • Alex argues the singularity will first be visible in space due to less incumbency and fewer regulatory hurdles compared to Earth, which has numerous entrenched interests and preservationist instincts.

Politics (2)

  • The U.S. government has begun a rolling release of UAP (formerly UFO) files through the Pursue Initiative, with 82 data pieces from the Department of War and 56 from the FBI already declassified.
  • Michio Kaku highlights the significance of the UAP file release, as it provides top-secret government data to independent researchers, moving beyond anecdotal eyewitness accounts.