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Miners pivot to AI leases for valuation arbitrage

Monday, June 29, 2026 · from 4 podcasts, 5 episodes
  • Bitcoin miners secured gigawatts of power during the 2021 bull run, creating an AI-ready real estate pipeline.
  • Shifting power to hyperscalers triggers a valuation re-rate from mining multiples (4-6x EBITDA) to infrastructure multiples (20-24x EBITDA).
  • AI's energy bottleneck is tightening, with China holding a structural advantage and U.S. political backlash looming.

Bitcoin miners stumbled into the AI gold rush. During the 2021 hash rate migration from China, companies like Marathon, Riot, and CleanSpark locked down land and interconnection agreements while Bitcoin margins were high. Brandon Bailey noted on TFTC that these miners inadvertently built a pipeline of energized real estate that hyperscalers cannot replicate quickly.

That pipeline is now the fastest path to new compute. AI hyperscalers are hitting a wall with grid interconnection wait times, making existing, powered mining sites prime targets. Bailey argues that by simply changing the offtaker of their power from a Bitcoin miner to an AI firm like Microsoft or Google, these companies can trigger a massive valuation arbitrage. Bitcoin mining trades between four and six times EBITDA. Traditional data center giants like Equinix trade at 20 to 24 times EBITDA.

"Bitcoin miners transitioned to AI compute because a 10-15 year hyperscaler lease offers guaranteed cash flow, unlike volatile mining income."

- Brandon Bailey, TFTC: A Bitcoin Podcast

The AI energy bottleneck is tightening globally. On Macro Voices, Lyn Alden argued that while the U.S. leads in chip design, China holds a structural advantage in the power systems required to run them, thanks to its massive industrial base. Eric Townsend pointed to a looming social conflict in the U.S. between AI energy demand and consumer utility bills.

The economics are staggering. John Tinsman, speaking on TFTC, highlighted Elon Musk’s Colossus facility, built in 112 days on a $4 billion investment, which could generate $15 billion annually in leasing revenue. Marty Bent cited Morgan Stanley data showing AI spending has made the U.S. economy inelastic to interest rates; when a project yields a 100% return on capital, a 5% interest rate is a rounding error.

On Forward Guidance, Tyler Neville argued this capex boom is rerating Big Tech multiples. Firms like Google and Microsoft have moved from buyback-rich cash cows to leveraged entities trapped in an AI capex hamster wheel, comparing them now to the volatile, capital-intensive oil industry.

The pivot isn't simple engineering. Bitcoin mining rewarded speed and cost-cutting; AI training requires five-nines uptime, massive redundancy, and sophisticated cooling. Bailey described a two-phase re-rating process: signing a lease creates the first valuation pop, and successfully financing and delivering construction removes the remaining execution discount. Core Scientific, with 590 megawatts leased to CoreWeave, has emerged as the pioneer.

"Hyperscalers are being re-rated from cash-flow rich to leveraged businesses, capping their upside."

- Tyler Neville, Forward Guidance

The energy squeeze will push Bitcoin mining toward stranded power. Bailey concluded the AI compute rush will force mining toward distributed and stranded energy sources, potentially creating a more durable era for mining economics. Dave Bennett, on Bitcoin And, proposed an even more fringe model: using autonomous robots to gasify forest debris to power Bitcoin miners, solving fire risk while creating a revenue stream. The model highlights the creative extremes miners are considering as the energy race intensifies.

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Forest Walker | Guest Appearance on Once BittenJun 28

  • The core Forest Walker design is a quadruped robot processing wood. Bennett envisions a Volkswagen-sized unit that ingests wood chips, gasifies them to produce syn gas, burns that in an engine to generate electricity, and uses surplus power to mine Bitcoin.
  • Bennett points to Boston Dynamics' legged squad support system as a mobility precedent. He notes Hyundai Motor Group acquired Boston Dynamics in 2020, signaling serious corporate commitment to advanced robotics.
  • Blockstream satellite downlink-only limitation prevents wilderness Bitcoin mining. Bennett argues this forces initial deployment near towns with cell access, creating a service model for municipalities wanting fire safety.
  • Bennett identifies three key byproducts from gasification: biochar, wood vinegar, and carbon credits. Biochar acts as a soil coral reef, holding water and nutrients; wood vinegar is a plant growth regulator.
  • Bennett sees carbon credit trading as a viable revenue stream. He cites market prices of $70-$100 per ton for sequestered carbon dioxide equivalents.
  • Data harvesting from the robots creates another revenue layer. Bennett proposes selling lidar forest inventories, soil pH maps, and cation exchange capacity data to lumber companies and the USDA.
  • Daniel Prince pushes for concrete, immediate applications. He argues a lumberyard could manually operate a gasifier today, mining Bitcoin from sawdust and wood waste.
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Climate (2)

  • Dave Bennett sees forest fire fuel load as a direct result of US forest policy since the 1930s. The Forest Walker concept aims to autonomously clear forest floor debris to mitigate fire risk.
  • Bennett argues the Yellowstone fire of 1988 highlighted flawed fire suppression policies. That fire burned 36% of the park, demonstrating the danger of accumulated fuel loads.

Science (6)

  • Wood gasification is ancient, proven technology. Bennett notes Germany had nearly half a million vehicles retrofitted to run on wood gasifiers during WWII petroleum rationing.
  • The Tongass National Forest spans 16.7 million acres, illustrating the vast scale of US forests. Bennett uses this as an example of terrain needing fuel load management.
  • Modern forest fires reach crowns due to laddering from ground fuels and dead lower branches. Bennett explains historic mega fauna like mammoths and giant beavers would have broken these branches, providing natural firebreak.
  • Prince notes forests need major animal herds for branch clearing. Bennett lists extinct North American mega fauna like mastodons, rhinos, short-faced bears, and giant beavers that once performed this function.
  • Soil chemistry is fundamentally electrical. Bennett argues cation exchange capacity dictates plant nutrient access, and biochar dramatically improves this by providing a charged scaffolding.
  • Bennett claims the soil compound geosmin, produced by actinomycetes bacteria, acts as a natural antidepressant. He urges people to smell healthy soil for its mood benefits.

Protocol (1)

  • Bitcoin mining efficiency is crucial for the system's viability. Bennett cites Bitmain's S23 liquid-cooled miner at 9.5 joules per terahash, expecting efficiency to continue improving towards 1 or 0.5 joules per terahash.

#763: The Everything Bubble Is Ending with Nick NemethJun 27

  • John Tinsman's AOTG ETF, launched in 2022, invests in high earnings and revenue growth businesses with low marginal costs, defined as the cost to produce one additional unit of good. This strategy prioritizes scalability and high profit margins.
  • AOTG ETF launched at $24 on NASDAQ and recently traded at $63, representing over 160% growth in approximately three to four years. Tinsman holds a significant stake in the fund.
  • Tinsman highlights a potential 10x ROI for XAI's Colossus 1 data center, built for $3-4 billion in 122 days, which could be leased for $15 billion annually over three years. He estimates its operating cost at $150-200 million per year.
  • Hyperscalers are investing over $1 trillion in data centers this year, with historical ROI for Microsoft and Google over 35%, potentially reaching 100% with AI spending. Marty cites a Morgan Stanley report projecting hyperscaler capex to reach $1.1 trillion by 2027.
  • Anthropic's token sales grew 80x in 12 months, and Goldman Sachs projects an additional 24x growth in token demand. Tinsman notes that this demand is global, serving 7 billion people, not just a domestic market.
  • Tinsman notes an Iowa data center boom, with construction workers earning up to $250,000 annually. Data centers often build their own natural gas generators, reducing reliance on the existing grid and making compute more efficient by locating near energy sources.
  • Global supply chain issues, including the Strait of Hormuz, are causing nitrogen prices to rise 100% due to natural gas shortages impacting foreign production. High sulfur prices are also making phosphate production unprofitable, leading to shutdowns and spiking prices.
  • High land prices, driven by investment momentum, have further exacerbated tough farm economics, with increased rents and interest payments on overpriced land. This dynamic means farmers require higher profits to cover operational costs.
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AI Infrastructure (2)

  • Marty cites Morgan Stanley's observation that hyperscalers' rate-insensitive AI spending weakens the Fed's monetary policy. US GDP has been revised up 2.3% and S&P earnings growth up 23%, partly due to this strategic AI investment.
  • Marty mentions SpaceX's potential Colossus 2 project, a 2-gigawatt data center estimated at a $17 billion outlay. Tinsman calculates this could generate over $300 billion in lease revenue, making SpaceX highly bullish if it IPOs as planned in two weeks.

Agents (2)

  • Tinsman is bullish on software, asserting AI agents will boost demand for software tools and allow 100% profit margins on additional sales. He cites Spotify's potential profit margin increase from 5% to 15% from falling expenses and 10% revenue growth, leading to 200% EPS growth.
  • Tinsman believes AI will accelerate human productivity and creativity, leading to a "GDP explosion" rather than mass job disruption. He compares it to the steam shovel's introduction during the Panama Canal construction, where new efficiencies created better jobs.

Macro (1)

  • John Tinsman states that US farmers face tough economics due to spiking fertilizer costs and stagnant corn prices. John Deere Financial is refusing loans to approximately 40% of Twin State's customers, pushing them to high-interest alternative lenders, indicating distress.

#761: Miners Own The Power Gold Rush with Brandon BaileyJun 22

  • Brandon Bailey argues the 2021 China mining ban caused up to 30% of Bitcoin hash rate to relocate to the US, leading to a North American gold rush and the institutionalization of mining.
  • Bailey says Bitcoin mining companies like Marathon, Riot, and CleanSpark amassed gigawatts of power portfolios during the 2021 bull cycle because margins were incredible.
  • Bailey states Bitcoin miners transitioned to AI compute because a 10-15 year hyperscaler lease offers guaranteed cash flow, unlike volatile mining income.
  • He explains Bitcoin miners trade at 4-6 times EBITDA, while traditional data center players like Digital Realty and Equinix trade at 20-24 times EBITDA, creating a massive multiple expansion opportunity.
  • Bailey cites Core Scientific, HUT 8, Cypher, TerraWolf, and Applied Digital as pioneers successfully pivoting from mining to AI compute.
  • He notes Core Scientific has 590 megawatts of critical capacity leased to CoreWeave and has begun delivering.
  • Bailey describes a two-phase re-rating process for Bitcoin miners: signing a lease creates the first valuation pop, and financing and delivering construction removes the remaining execution discount.
  • He argues AI compute demand is driven by nation-state game theory, with the US and China in an AI arms race, and by hyperscalers like Google, Amazon, Meta, and Microsoft competing to protect their moats.
  • He says smaller Bitcoin miners with 50 MW of power could contribute their assets into a JV at valuations over $1 million per megawatt, far above their current $200k-$400k valuations.
  • Bailey believes using LLMs is a learned skill akin to the internet age; laggard employees who don't adopt it will face a massive disadvantage.
  • He built Dimetrix.ai as a market intelligence tool for digital infrastructure investors, automating the extraction of granular site data like power capacity and lease details from SEC filings.
  • Bailey argues counties that reject data centers miss the opportunity to bring new generation, capture capital for local investment, and potentially see lower power rates compared to anti-data center regions.
  • He concludes the AI compute rush will push Bitcoin mining towards stranded and distributed power sources, potentially creating a golden era of durable mining economics due to constrained ASIC supply and power availability.
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Politics (1)

  • Bailey observes political pushback against massive AI data centers is creating more demand for smaller 20-50 megawatt sites.

Big Tech (1)

  • Marty Bent notes Google raised $84.5 billion in an equity raise involving Berkshire Hathaway to fund AI CapEx, signaling a shift from stock buybacks to full growth mode.

Is The Fed Panic Already Fading? | Weekly RoundupJun 26

  • Quinn argues that while oil prices have returned to pre-war levels, the disinflationary effect on gasoline lags due to depleted reserves and high refinery utilization. He believes core inflation won't drop below 3% because the government is running 5-6% deficits to GDP.
  • Tyler suggests monetary policy is working by stimulating private sector capital expenditure, evidenced by low high-yield spreads and massive oversubscription for new bond issues. He cites SpaceX raising $90 billion from an initial $30 billion bond offering.
  • Felix observes that the positive correlation between memory stocks (DRAM ETF) and MAG7 (hyperscalers) turned negative after Google's $80 billion equity issuance in early June. Tyler argues hyperscalers are being re-rated from cash-flow rich to leveraged businesses, capping their upside.
  • Tyler contends that the significant market dispersion, indicated by low implied correlation (around 10), marks the end of easy passive investing. This environment favors active managers as capital rapidly rotates from large cap tech to sectors like industrials and banks.
  • Felix, referencing Edward Chancellor's "The Price of Time," highlights how low interest rates over the last decade led to a lack of innovation and economic stagnation, fostering housing bubbles. He notes higher rates are now correlating with productive innovation across sectors like health and nuclear energy.
  • Quinn suggests the Trump administration might curb the AI trade if it fuels inflation, prioritizing stable prices over hiking rates, potentially even at the expense of energy policy. Felix, however, downplays the inflationary impact of AI-driven price hikes like Apple's 20% increase, deeming them less significant than rising healthcare costs.
  • Felix observes that Bitcoin's narrative as an inflation hedge is challenged by secular inflation and higher rates, as productive investments now compete for capital. Quinn notes MicroStrategy's stock is down 90% from its highs, facing a 6% annual dilution from debt service if Bitcoin remains flat.
  • Felix explains that Bitcoin miners are selling power to AI companies via lucrative 10-year, multi-billion dollar deals, making Bitcoin mining less economical due to rising electricity costs. He sees this as an arbitrage between centralized AI and decentralized Bitcoin.
  • Tyler and Quinn foresee social media declining due to AI-generated "slop" and European laws banning it. Tyler highlights a positive shift in younger generations' social skills, citing a local coffee shop that fosters direct interaction.
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Macro (1)

  • Tyler maintains the economy is traversing peak inflation and peak growth for the year, expecting fiscal impulse to wane in the second half. He believes if the Fed hikes, it will occur at the July meeting before the election, otherwise disinflation will continue.

Fed (2)

  • Felix questions the logic of using traditional interest rate tools to address current inflation, especially in a context of state capitalism and investment booms. He finds it archaic given high debt levels and inelastic supply curves for goods like memory.
  • Tyler notes that Fed Chair Worsh, despite not explicitly giving forward guidance, implicitly did so by acknowledging the committee's hawkish dot plot without endorsing it, effectively setting the stage to avoid actual rate hikes. Worsh understands the market and the impact of the balance sheet.

MacroVoices #538 Lyn Alden: Is The War Really Over and What’s Next For Markets?Jun 25

  • Patrick Serezna reports WTI crude oil dropped 885 basis points, falling to $69.28, and collapsed from the $80 handle to $69.18, indicating an extremely oversold market.
  • Lynn Alden suggests new Fed Chair Worsh, despite his hawkish history, adopted a hawkish but vague tone due to recent high energy prices and rising inflation. The Fed typically prioritizes non-energy inflation.
  • Lynn Alden observes the stablecoin market cap grew from $30 billion in January 2021 to $300 billion, expecting it to eventually exceed $1 trillion. These yieldless products are ideal for global payments and working capital.
  • Lynn Alden expects the AI trade to persist longer than anticipated, citing strong RAM demand and breakout earnings from companies like Micron. Narrative momentum can sustain high valuations, as seen with Tesla and SpaceX, despite decoupled fundamentals.
  • Lynn Alden expresses less bullishness on AI models due to their low switching costs and lack of economic moat. She identifies significant cybersecurity risks from AI tools exploiting code vulnerabilities, threatening DeFi and corporate data.
  • Eric Townsend notes China’s more developed energy policy and greater data center power capacity provide a strategic AI advantage. Lynn Alden agrees, highlighting China’s massive industrial power as a significant economic moat translating to AI.
  • Lynn Alden would "take the under" on the commercial viability of orbital data centers within a 5-10 year investable horizon (by 2036). Radical increases in rocket reusability are necessary to overcome high launch and maintenance costs.
  • Patrick Serezna recommends going long natural gas to capitalize on the AI power bottleneck. He suggests the UNL ETF for cleaner delta-1 exposure or using bull call spreads on December 2026 natural gas futures for convex upside.
  • Patrick Serezna reports the S&P 500 retraced half its post-peace deal rally, initially pressured by a 10% limit-down in the South Korean Kospi. Despite Micron’s earnings prompting a relief rally, leadership remains concentrated in semiconductors, indicating weak overall market breadth.
  • Patrick Serezna suggests crude oil's more reasonable intermediate fair value likely sits around the $80-$85 range, arguing recent declines below this level are due to forced liquidation rather than fundamental shifts.
  • Patrick Serezna notes gold remains in a corrective phase, characterized by lower highs and lower lows, with rallies consistently met by supply. The $4,000 level is key; if it fails, $3,600 becomes the next major magnet, representing a 50% retracement.
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Diplomacy (1)

  • Lynn Alden notes the Strait of Hormuz conflict's resolution is incomplete, with key details like enriched uranium, inspections, and funding still unresolved. The current memorandum largely reconstructs the monitored 2015-2018 agreement.

Markets (3)

  • Patrick Serezna highlights the US dollar index staged a technically significant breakout, rallying 210 basis points to 101.54 and decisively breaking a 15-month trade range.
  • Patrick Serezna notes gold declined roughly 900 basis points, falling back towards the $4,000 level not seen since October of the prior year.
  • Patrick Serezna observes strong bullish momentum for the US dollar, with the dollar index decisively breaking above 100 and a 15-month ceiling. The dollar-yen now holds above 160, and the euro broke major support at 114.

Macro (2)

  • Lynn Alden anticipates nominal US debt levels will continue rising aggressively, asserting the Treasury Secretary’s forecast of reducing deficits to 4% of GDP by administration's end is overly optimistic.
  • Lynn Alden argues the US can sustain larger deficits due to its diverse economy and global reserve currency status, which creates inflexible international demand for dollars. Consequences appear as a "two-speed economy" and political dissatisfaction, not immediate debt crises.

Stablecoins (1)

  • Lynn Alden references a Citigroup report forecasting stablecoin market cap between $1 trillion (base) and $3 trillion (bull) by 2030. However, even a $1 trillion increase in stablecoin demand for treasuries would only cover about six months of US deficits.