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China's Kimmy K3 ends US AI cost advantage

Wednesday, July 22, 2026 · from 5 podcasts
  • Chinese AI model Kimmy K3 outperforms US counterparts at 1/50th the cost.
  • US chip bans backfired, forcing China to innovate efficiently.
  • Silicon Valley’s business model is now under existential threat.

China didn’t close the AI gap - it vaulted over it. Moonshot AI’s Kimmy K3, a 2.8 trillion parameter model, surged to the top of coding and data analytics benchmarks, surpassing OpenAI and Anthropic offerings despite US chip bans.

The model’s rise is not just technical - it’s economic. While US labs charge $50 per million tokens, Kimmy K3’s open-source version costs about a dollar. This 50x price gap exposes a structural flaw in Silicon Valley’s strategy: massive compute spending without efficiency gains. As Salim Ismail notes, the shelf life of a top model is now weeks, not months.

US restrictions may have accelerated China’s leap. Emad Mostaque argues that export controls pushed Chinese engineers to optimize around H-800s and domestic chips from Huawei and Alibaba. The result: a lean, high-performance model that runs on accessible hardware. "They used our playbook," said Alex Weiser Gross, "but skipped the R&D tax."

"US labs pay a premium while China builds equivalent intelligence for pennies."

- Alex Weiser Gross, Moonshots with Peter Diamandis

The cost advantage is reshaping global developer behavior. Rabbit Hole Recap highlighted that Chinese-backed models are drawing open-source contributors away from US ecosystems. If training shifts to Huawei-optimized stacks, American hardware and software influence erodes by default.

Silicon Valley is split. Big labs lobby for bans on Chinese models, while developers warn protectionism hides stagnation. The White House is weighing restrictions, but Marty Bent warns this plays into Beijing’s hands: "If the US shuts down open weights, the world adopts China’s."

"Banning the competition just hides the fact that US models have become too slow and too expensive."

- Saagar Enjeti, Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

The AI race is no longer about who computes first - it’s who computes best. With Kimmy K3, China has proven that innovation under constraint can beat abundance. The era of US dominance is over, not with a crash, but with a quiet, efficient takeover.

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7/21/26: Trump Threatens Iran Payback, Trump Rages Over Bibi Arrest Push, China Overtakes US On AI, Biological War PlotJul 21

As the Iran War Escalates, Is the U.S. Hiding Its Toll?Jul 21

  • Eric Schmidt highlights a significant reduction in Pentagon transparency since early May, with no news conferences. This contrasts with earlier phases when announcements included fatalities and a running tally of injuries.
  • The Pentagon cited "operational security" for not disclosing three prior Iranian attacks on the Jordan base that wounded U.S. troops before the deadly Friday strike. Eric Schmidt argues this reveals a tension between protecting information and informing the public.
  • While President Trump discusses potential ground options, such as seizing Karg Island, military commanders indicate there is no public or congressional appetite for such operations.
  • Michael Barbaro reports President Trump reignited the trade war with Canada by imposing a 50% tariff on various Canadian products, citing Canada's discriminatory treatment of U.S. goods.
  • The New York Times is challenging a second set of Trump administration subpoenas seeking to unmask confidential sources who provided information about Air Force One security. These subpoenas targeted third-party phone records of reporters and their relatives.
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War (9)

  • Eric Schmidt reports a Friday barrage of Iranian missiles and drones hit a major air base in Jordan, killing at least two, possibly three, U.S. Army soldiers and injuring several others. This attack follows a week of hostile exchanges as the ceasefire collapsed.
  • Eric Schmidt states that with the deaths in Jordan and another Army soldier killed in Iraq by an Iranian drone, the total number of Americans killed in the war has reached 17.
  • Despite over 13,000 U.S. strikes damaging Iran's Air Force and Navy, Eric Schmidt notes Iran retained robust capabilities, including numerous attack drones, mine-laying boats, and missiles. American officials believe Iran used the ceasefire to rebuild these capabilities.
  • Michael Barbaro suggests the ceasefire has become a pretext for the administration to disclose less about the war's true state, while Eric Schmidt explains that acknowledging new deaths during a ceasefire challenges the narrative of reduced risk.
  • Eric Schmidt details the war's expansion, now involving countries like Bahrain, Kuwait, UAE, Saudi Arabia, and Jordan. Iran's strategy aims to inflict pain on U.S. allies by targeting civilian infrastructure to pressure the U.S. or make allies reconsider hosting its military.
  • Iran is threatening to activate the Houthis in Yemen, leading Saudi Arabia to launch preemptive strikes. Eric Schmidt reports the Houthis responded by threatening to close the Red Sea to Saudi traffic, opening a second front in the five-month-old war.
  • Both sides are striking a wider range of targets. The U.S. now hits civilian infrastructure like bridges (dual-use), while Iran targets energy sites and critical desalination plants, indicating an escalation in the perceived tolerable human toll.
  • The U.S. maintains about 15,000 troops for the naval blockade and 50,000 troops overall in the region and Europe supporting the campaign. Eric Schmidt states that fighter jets like F-16s and F-35s are being rushed back to the Middle East from Europe.
  • Eric Schmidt warns that withholding war details from the public, especially during escalation, carries the risk of obscuring the true dimensions of the conflict. He notes the Pentagon disclosed 100 injuries since July 7th only after New York Times reporting.

Business (1)

  • A federal judge temporarily halted Paramount's $11 billion purchase of Warner Bros. Discovery following an antitrust lawsuit from 12 Democratic states, which argues the merger would harm movie theaters, TV providers, and audiences.

Part Three: How The Navy SEALs Lost Their MindJul 21

  • During the 1983 Grenada invasion, four Seal Team Six members drowned during a botched parachute jump due to excessive gear, up to 400 pounds each, before ever seeing combat. A subsequent mission to protect the Governor General also faced heavy fire, requiring rescue by Marines.
  • Failures in Grenada led to the creation of a new Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC), which integrated all special forces and significantly increased Seal funding. By 1990, the Seals had expanded to over 2,000 men, double their Vietnam-era size.
  • Robert Evans notes that elite military units like Navy Seals, Green Berets, and Delta Force ostensibly have distinct specializations, such as naval operations and hostage rescue or building local militias, though their capabilities often overlap in practice.
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War (6)

  • Robert Evans states Richard Marcinko commanded Seal Team Six from its inception in August 1980 until July 1983, a relatively short but foundational period for the unit.
  • Richard Marcinko's Red Cell unit, tasked with testing Navy security, routinely kidnapped sensitive employees and subjected them to intense workouts and mockery. This gave Marcinko an opportunity to target officers and civilians he resented.
  • In March 1986, Red Cell operators attempted to kidnap civilian security head Ronald Sheridan at his Los Angeles home. Sheridan's wife, Margaret, nearly shot an operator with a loaded .45 caliber gun, highlighting the personal security efforts that Marcinko's team bypassed.
  • In December 1989, Seal Team Four's mission to capture Manuel Noriega's jet hangar in Panama with small arms was a disaster. Four Seals were killed and seven or eight wounded almost instantly due to lack of cover against machine gun fire, rendering their sacrifice meaningless as Noriega never attempted to use his jets.
  • During Desert Storm, Seals, under the distrusting General Norman Schwartzkopf, achieved unproblematic success, particularly a six-man unit that diverted two Iraqi divisions with sabotage. Other units cleared mines and performed search and rescue without casualties, demonstrating their effective use within a broader military strategy.
  • In January 2002, Seal Team Six officer Vic Hyder murdered an unarmed elderly Afghan man carrying a cassette tape, mistaking it for a grenade, despite having night vision. This marked Team Six's first action of the Afghanistan War and ignited internal complaints from other Seals.

Corruption (4)

  • An intoxicated Marcinko ordered his Red Cell operators to beat and film Ronald Sheridan, waterboarding him in a toilet. An operator broke a rib while torturing the tied-up, unarmed man, demonstrating the recklessness of the exercise.
  • Marcinko was fired from Red Cell after the Sheridan incident, followed by a full Naval Investigative Services probe, nicknamed "Iron Eagle," launched in spring 1986. This was prompted by an officer reporting Marcinko's drunken gun incident in New Zealand and his financial fraud.
  • Investigating agents uncovered extensive fake receipt fraud by John Mason, a top Seal, who subsequently cooperated. Mason provided evidence of Marcinko's scheme to defraud the Navy of $310,000 by ordering 4,300 experimental grenades, receiving a $110,000 kickback to his company.
  • Richard Marcinko was convicted of bribery and conspiracy in federal court in January 1990 and sentenced to 21 months in minimum-security prison. Seal Team Six was officially renamed Naval Special Warfare Development Group (DEVGRU) in 1987, though it is still commonly called Team Six.

Culture (1)

  • Post-Desert Storm, author Orr, in *Brave Men, Dark Waters*, noted Seals were poor at learning from failures and overly focused on violence, expressing concern about their relevance in an era of guided missiles. Some Seals internally discussed capturing or killing terrorist leaders and foreign heads of state.

Media (1)

  • After his 1992 prison release, Richard Marcinko published the bestselling autobiography *Rogue Warrior*, which he later expanded into a fiction novel series of the same name. These books were marketed as based on his "real classified missions," solidifying his public persona.

Other (5)

  • Robert Evans highlights that some Seal officers, driven by insecurity about their selection process, compensate by adopting an ultraviolent approach, constantly engaging in direct combat instead of leading. This pattern, exemplified by Hyder, causes a breakdown of operational tactics.
  • By 2002, Seal Team Six's three assault teams - Blue (Pirates), Gold (Knights/Crusaders), and Red (Red Men) - had mascots that cultivated problematic imagery. Matthew Cole, in *Code over Country*, notes many Red Team operators underwent a "metamorphosis of identity" into stereotypical Native American warriors.
  • On March 6, 2002, after the US Air Force bombed a family caravan, Vic Hyder shot a wounded, unarmed man. A retired Seal described Hyder then mutilating the body by stomping on the skull, horrifying many present but also leading some to consider it acceptable retaliation.
  • In March 2002, Petty Officer First Class Neil Roberts was mutilated by Al Qaeda fighters after falling from a Chinook. This incident enraged many Seals, fostering a "school yard mentality" of retaliation that, while understood by some as inevitable, was criticized for leading to war crimes.
  • In early March 2002, 35 out of 40 Seal Team Six members at Bagram Airbase agreed not to mutilate bodies, yet no one reported Hyder's war crime, allowing him to be quietly pushed out. This policy of internal discipline, avoiding formal punishment, meant individuals who committed war crimes could continue their military careers elsewhere.

Urgent Update- AI Sputnik Moment: Kimi K3 Released w/ Emad Mostaque | Ep. 272Jul 19

  • China has prioritized humanoid robot development, with 150 companies, and stages public robot combat events that test demanding engineering aspects like balance, impact resistance, and locomotion.
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Models (11)

  • Moonshot AI, a Chinese lab, released Kimi K3, a multimodal, open-weight model with 2.8 trillion parameters, which rapidly achieved number one ranking in the Code Arena and six other domains.
  • Alex Weiser Gross notes Kimi models held state-of-the-art among open-weight models for 9 of the past 12 months, despite building on a recognizable transformer architecture without novel breakthroughs.
  • Imad Mostaque compares Kimi K3's engineering to Chinese EVs, achieving high performance and usability through manufacturing efficiency, despite using older hardware like H-800s under US export controls.
  • Dave Blundon describes Kimi K3's release as a "Sputnik times infinity" moment, enabling any entity to achieve near-frontier AI capabilities by using open-source weights and fine-tuning, independent of US models.
  • Salim Ismail argues frontier intelligence is a perishable asset with a shelf life of weeks, suggesting future value will reside in architectures that can rapidly swap and adapt different AI models.
  • Imad Mostaque reports Kimi K3 used the same compute as Inkling but achieved 2.5 times better data-to-intelligence conversion, optimized for Chinese silicon like Huawei 910 Ascend chips.
  • Since mid-April, 13 new frontier models have launched, averaging one every 10 days, a significant acceleration from previous years, with Alex Weiser Gross predicting daily releases by January.
  • PrismML's Bonside 27B is the first 27 billion parameter class model to run entirely on a smartphone, achieving ternary quantization that significantly reduces model size and increases speed fivefold.
  • Alex Weiser Gross predicts sub-1-bit quantization will go mainstream within the next year, and Imad Mostaque forecasts Kimi K3-level capability on a 16GB RAM MacBook by late next year due to distillation and new chipsets.
  • AI models are now statistically indistinguishable from human "superforecasters" in predicting novel events, implying cheap, tireless superhuman advisors for decisions in insurance, investing, and policy.
  • Salim Ismail argues that AI forecasting will make most senior management expertise obsolete, as AI systems can reproduce judgment without human biases, shifting focus to purpose and objectives.

Startups (1)

  • Alex Weiser Gross clarifies that Moonshot AI founder Yang Jilin started his Chinese startup, Recurrent AI, during his CMU PhD program, not after graduation due to visa issues.

Immigration (1)

  • Salim Ismail notes 70% of elite AI researchers are not U.S. citizens, with Chinese and Indian talent being prominent; he argues that the U.S. immigration system fails to retain this crucial talent.

Health (1)

  • Dr. Don Musilam reports that 3.3% of Fountain Life members, presumed healthy, have undetected cancer, emphasizing the critical role of early detection via tools like full body MRI for better cure rates.

AI Infrastructure (1)

  • Salim Ismail highlights that U.S. data centers consume 17 billion gallons of water annually, significantly less than golf courses (531 billion gallons) or California almond farming (1 trillion gallons).

RABBIT HOLE RECAP #418: BRAVE NEW WORLDJul 17

  • China formed a UN-backed AI cooperation organization with 29 countries, including Russia, Belarus, Serbia, Cuba, Brazil, Venezuela, and others across Africa and Asia.
  • Stephen Miller announced a National Security Presidential Memorandum (NSPM 7) directing agencies to identify, debank, arrest, and prosecute left-wing political terrorists, framing the DSA's use of Democratic primaries as a Trojan horse for revolution.
  • The Human Rights Foundation reported Burma's military junta froze over 100 bank accounts of companies and summoned individuals for questioning.
  • Truth Social plans to sell faster API access to Trump's market-moving posts, creating a monetization strategy where paid users can front-run public announcements.
  • Gabriel Perez, Trump's teleprompter operator, settled allegations he used inside knowledge of speech content to win over $100,000 on Kalshi's prediction markets.
  • The Federal Reserve formed task forces including Mark Andreessen and Asha Sharma to assess AI's economic impact, announced the same day Microsoft laid off 10% of its Xbox workforce.
  • The .me registry suspended Telegram's t.me domain because a sanctioned VPN provider had a channel there, restoring it only after Telegram removed the account.
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Protocol (6)

  • Connor Brown explains the Bitcoin Policy Institute intervened as a defendant in a lawsuit claiming dormant Bitcoin addresses as abandoned property, using BPI's long-term treasury as an example of non-dormant institutional holdings.
  • Sam Lyman's research for BPI on CCP influence in US anti-data center campaigns gained significant attention, being featured on the front page of the New York Times.
  • BPI made its quarterly report public for the first time, highlighting activities from April to June 2026.
  • Anchor Watch launched multi-institution custody with Coin Corner and Lloyd's insurance, offering users a custodial solution where three separate institutions hold keys to mitigate single-point failure.
  • Bitcoin's current price is $63,410 with a $1.27 trillion market cap, and the network is 1,181 blocks from a difficulty retarget estimated at a -0.7% adjustment.
  • Mempool transaction fees are low, with 2 sats/vbyte for high priority and 0.2 sats/vbyte for no priority currently clearing next blocks.

Lightning (2)

  • A Zeus and Axiom report on Lightning economics shows Olympus achieved a 4.65% return on invested capital over the trailing twelve months, comparable to treasury yields.
  • The report also details using Validating Lightning Signer (VLS) to separate node operation from key custody, allowing professional routing management without surrendering fund control.

Stablecoins (1)

  • Nunchuck Android 2.7.1 added self-custodial USDT on Liquid, noted as the most private Tether option due to confidential transactions hiding amounts and asset types.