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AI demand holds as funding risk moves center stage

Nov 5, 2026Summary from 6 podcasts.
  • AI demand still looks strong, but investors are increasingly focused on how the infrastructure gets financed.
  • Spending forecasts missed expectations as credit spreads rose and major cloud companies’ cash flows came under pressure.

Warren Pies sees a new risk emerging in the AI trade: financing. On Forward Guidance, he said he had downgraded equities after credit spreads for hyperscalers rose above their July highs, even though their stocks had not fallen back to those levels. He does not see a clear washout in investor positioning yet; he would rather wait for a confirmed breakout or a bout of extreme fear before buying.

That caution is not a call that AI demand has disappeared. Pies said Nvidia’s B200 chips remain hard to find and rental prices are rising. He also cited figures showing revenue per dollar of compute spending climbing from 57 cents to $2.08. For him, the question is whether strong demand can keep supporting an increasingly expensive buildout.

Some spending forecasts have already fallen short of expectations. Microsoft guided to $38 billion in capital spending against analysts’ $45 billion estimate; Google’s $51 billion guidance was below an expected $55 billion. Those misses do not, by themselves, prove companies are cutting investment. But Marty Bent, on TFTC, noted that the four major hyperscalers had turned free-cash-flow negative as AI spending climbed. Amazon’s cash flow over the past 12 months was negative $42.4 billion, according to figures cited on The AI Daily Brief.

The funding question reaches beyond the biggest technology companies. Pies said hyperscalers are relying more on outside financing, making interest rates a potential brake on new data centers. He estimates that venture-backed startups account for about a quarter of Anthropic’s annual recurring revenue. If tighter rates reduce those startups’ ability to spend, the impact could reach AI providers as well as infrastructure builders.

Jack Mallers offered a broader debt-market concern on The Jack Mallers Show: AI companies borrowing to fund expansion could compete with governments and other borrowers for capital. That is his interpretation of the pressure, not proof that financing will dry up. Still, it helps explain why investors are watching credit spreads as closely as chip demand.

The disagreement is less about whether AI will be useful than whether today’s builders can earn enough to cover the cost. Forward Guidance’s hosts have argued that the technology can succeed even if investors lose money on the buildout. Pies, meanwhile, sees demand holding up but is waiting for the market to show that the financing risk has eased.

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Is The AI Selloff A Buying Opportunity? | Warren Pies • Nov 4

  • Warren Pies downgraded equities as hyperscaler credit spreads rose above their July wides before stocks had returned to those lows. He sees no positioning washout yet and would buy either a confirmed breakout or extreme fear.
  • Warren Pies says rate policy can now constrain AI investment because hyperscalers increasingly rely on external funding rather than cash flow alone. He estimates venture-backed startups account for about 25% of Anthropic's annual recurring revenue, making VC funding another channel for rate hikes to hit AI demand.
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Markets (3)

  • Warren Pies builds investment conviction from fundamentals but manages risk with technicals. After staying overweight equities from late 2023, he neutralized risk while keeping a bullish view of AI.
  • Warren Pies treats a tight, high-level trading range as a warning of a possible trend change. His consolidation screen looks for a 6% to 7% range over 63 days; these setups occur about 13% of the time.
  • Warren Pies sees financials weakening against staples as a bearish leadership signal, as in earlier consolidations before market declines. Staples rose about 14% in October, a defensive rotation he considers unhealthy for a broad equity advance.

Chips (1)

  • Warren Pies found that semiconductors had the widest gap between S&P 500 returns on their up days and down days, exceeding 105 percentage points. Semiconductors now make up about 20% of the index and have been central to AI exposure.

AI Infrastructure (4)

  • Warren Pies says GPU availability tightened sharply as agentic AI demand grew, with B200 availability at zero in his tracking. Rental prices rose despite data-center models assuming rents would fall 25% annually.
  • Warren Pies interprets rising prices for longer-dated GPU rentals as a capacity premium, not the bearish signal that contango can be in oil. He says hyperscaler cloud revenue is also ramping, while Anthropic's revenue per dollar of compute spend rose from $0.57 to $2.08 before easing slightly in Q3.
  • Warren Pies tracks data-center construction with satellite imagery and says current project pacing aligns with semiconductor revenue estimates. His model shows more than 27 gigawatts of capacity coming online by 2027; power, labor, materials, or political limits could slow delivery.
  • Warren Pies reads simultaneous declines in semiconductors and hyperscalers, alongside tight GPU supply and rising rents, as liquidation or a volatility shock rather than evidence of an AI demand collapse. A supply crunch would strengthen hyperscalers' capacity economics, in his view.

Fed (2)

  • Warren Pies says rate expectations shifted from 75 basis points of cuts priced before the Iran war to as many as six hikes by 2027. He also notes that the 10-year yield now tracks the Nasdaq more closely than oil, tying inflation risk to AI investment.
  • Warren Pies doubts the Fed will deliberately break the AI buildout, because worsening credit stress or market instability could halt hikes. He says officials are also responding to inflation's political costs, while the strategic importance of AI may weigh on policy decisions in the background.

Macro (1)

  • Warren Pies expects economic chop rather than an immediate recession if AI investment cools, citing the fiscal deficit and possible rate relief for crowded-out sectors. With the two-year yield near 4.6%, he sees room for yields to fall if the Fed ends its hiking bias.

Iran (1)

  • Warren Pies sees the Iran conflict's next move as the main driver of oil prices. He says the US blockade is cutting Iranian exports, but diplomacy after the midterms may be more likely than a pre-election deal; he expects the situation to need resolution within about 45 days.

Energy (3)

  • Warren Pies describes oil markets as severely dislocated: more than 60% of global VLCCs were laden, distillate crack spreads were exceptionally high, and futures positioning was largely squared. He favors an energy overweight in balanced portfolios as a hedge against further disruption.
  • Warren Pies says high distillate crack spreads usually ease through refinery retooling and demand destruction, but structural disruptions can keep them elevated. Singapore gasoil cracks were above $70 per barrel; he expects spreads to revert while oil stays sticky and refiners shift toward middle distillates.
  • Warren Pies expects the conflict to accelerate decarbonization and a shift toward a multipolar order. He argues that US military reach and soft power have been strained, with China and Russia increasingly involved in efforts to resolve the crisis.

The Fed Is A Sideshow While The AI Trade Implodes | Weekly Roundup • Oct 31

  • Hyperscaler capital-spending guidance missed estimates, which a host treated as evidence that the AI investment boom is slowing. The guest linked the risk to growth because AI infrastructure spending has been a major contributor to recent GDP growth.
  • The guest argued that leverage amplified the AI trade and made a smooth slowdown unlikely. The guest cited a leveraged ETF with hundreds of billions in notional exposure and a hedge fund carrying $45 billion of assets at four times leverage; widening credit spreads could shut financing to neoclouds.
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Sports (1)

  • A speaker credited pitch clocks with making baseball games faster and more watchable, and praised the Milwaukee Brewers’ franchise-record regular season and historic postseason. One attendee said they watched three games in Florida.

Fed (4)

  • The Fed’s pause was widely expected. The speakers noted two dissents, from Hammack and Cook, and a statement change describing economic activity as expanding at a “strong” rather than “solid” pace.
  • The Fed plans to reduce its meeting schedule, including a non-live meeting focused on strategy next year and six meetings the following year. A guest argued that fewer meetings could help normalize markets’ dependence on constant Fed guidance and leave room for financial repression.
  • The guest called the Fed a sideshow, arguing that falling markets and an AI slowdown could weaken growth while higher oil prices revive inflation. The guest expects the Fed to be constrained from tightening and doubts a December cut remains likely.
  • The European Central Bank and Bank of Canada tightened despite weak growth signals. The speakers linked Canada’s hike partly to currency defense, while noting that three more European hikes were priced in and criticizing rate increases during an energy shock.

Energy (2)

  • A guest argued that Europe’s energy costs undermine manufacturing, industrial production, and defense capacity. The guest said natural gas in Europe and Asia cost eleven times as much as in the United States, while Europe continued buying Russian gas amid its support for Ukraine.
  • A guest argued that oil supply disruption requires a policy response and that market calm ahead of the midterms had masked escalation risk. The guest warned that prices could reach $150 and said early-2027 futures had risen despite falling positioning and low volume.

Markets (1)

  • Gold fell below $3,900 and broke below summer lows despite lower bond yields and less hawkish rate expectations. A guest attributed the selling to liquidity needs and sovereign currency defense, and advised waiting for gold to recover those lows before treating the trend as constructive.

Models (1)

  • The speakers separated AI’s usefulness from the economics of building it. A host said personal token use had risen tenfold and described Anthropic’s improving business, while warning that open-weight competition and repeated frontier-model training could compress margins.

AI Infrastructure (1)

  • The guest compared AI infrastructure to commodity cycles: firms keep producing to cover fixed costs even as demand and margins weaken, extending oversupply. The guest argued that compute becoming a commodity would erode pricing power, even if the technology creates lasting consumer value.

Inflation (1)

  • The speakers described inflation as an invisible tax that leaves households unable to afford groceries, travel, or family expenses, feeding anger and unrest. They connected cost-of-living pressure to protests in Paris, crime, and political blame, and argued that France’s bond spread echoed tensions in the streets.

Elections (1)

  • A guest argued that Republicans face electoral risk because voters are focused on the economy and foreign policy, while anti-data-center sentiment is crossing party lines. The speakers cautioned that prediction markets are probabilistic after Brazil’s incumbent lost despite an 80% implied chance of victory.

Custody (1)

  • The speakers said a reported $6 billion Binance hack damaged confidence among potential crypto entrants, even though Circle and Tether froze funds and Binance said it would cover the remaining loss. They also flagged repeated North Korean cyberattacks and broader warnings about AI-related security risks.

BTC Markets (1)

  • A guest described crypto as still working through a leverage-driven, time-consuming capitulation and expected conditions to improve sometime next year. The guest saw gold’s full retracement as a warning for Bitcoin and said a durable crypto recovery may depend on gold first forming a bottom.

Hacks, AI and Elections - WTF is going on? • Nov 3

  • Mallers argues that government borrowing and AI companies’ debt issuance compete for finite capital, forcing debt refinancing to draw liquidity away from equities, real estate, Bitcoin, and gold. He says AI firms have shifted from funding investment with cash to borrowing.
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Macro (1)

  • Jack Mallers says Scott Bessent’s Treasury buybacks target unwanted long-term debt while the government issues short-term debt, reducing bond volatility but adding inflationary pressure.

Europe (2)

  • Mallers says foreign ownership leaves France exposed to capital flight: the euro has weakened against the yen, the France-Germany debt spread has widened, and the country’s largest bank has fallen from its highs.
  • French lawmakers proposed a tax on internet traffic to raise budget revenue, charging based on the amount of content accessed; Mallers framed it as a response to government finances that preserves spending instead of cutting it.

Elections (1)

  • Prediction markets favored Democrats sweeping the U.S. midterms, while Mallers said investors could also be reacting to tightening liquidity; he treated the election’s market impact as uncertain.

Iran (1)

  • Mallers reported Tucker Carlson’s warning of renewed U.S.-Israeli action against Iran and a Connecticut senator’s concern that attack plans could target civilian infrastructure and prolong the war. Trump later said he would not strike Iran after the midterms; Mallers also cited Zelensky’s warning of Russian escalation in Ukraine.

AI & Tech (2)

  • Mallers sees Microsoft’s planned buyouts as evidence that AI can let revenue rise while headcount falls, accelerating white-collar job displacement; he says Strike has also grown revenue per employee despite the bear market.
  • Jeff Bezos argues that industrial bubbles can wipe out investors while leaving useful infrastructure behind, as happened with biotech and fiber optics. Mallers applies that distinction to AI: the technology may endure even if much of today’s investment proves worthless.

BTC Markets (2)

  • Mallers says the Nasdaq’s 10% decline and scarce liquidity may explain weak risk assets, while Bitcoin’s smaller weekly loss suggests relative strength. He cautions that Bitcoin could still fall further and recommends reducing leverage.
  • Mallers treats Bitcoin and crypto markets as leading indicators because they trade continuously and face less central intervention. He says FTX’s collapse preceded Silicon Valley Bank’s failure, and expects cyberattacks to reach traditional services after appearing in crypto.

Safety (3)

  • Mallers reported a $6.3 billion Binance hack, a $40 million theft from Brazilian exchange Mercado Bitcoin, and an unconfirmed report of more than $100 million stolen from an EU entity; he said Binance covered nearly all customer losses.
  • Mallers says AI makes vulnerability discovery and exploitation easier, while security fixes still fail if users do not install them. Disclosed software vulnerabilities rose sharply year over year; he expects stronger software eventually but sees a painful transition.
  • Strike’s account safeguards include two-factor authentication for protected actions, withdrawal limits with a five-day change delay, remote device sign-out, and email verification codes. Mallers said trusted withdrawal addresses with the same delay were planned.

Digital Sovereignty (1)

  • Mallers cited refrigeration disruptions across European countries that reportedly spoiled supermarket food, alongside a separate Washington, D.C. power outage affecting traffic lights and federal facilities including the State Department.

Ten31 Timestamp: The S-1 Also Rises • Nov 2

  • The four major hyperscalers turned free-cash-flow negative as AI spending rose, even as Q3 U.S. GDP growth reached 3.4% and manufacturing PMIs hit their highest level since May 2022. Publicly held U.S. debt also crossed 100% of GDP.
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Enterprise (3)

  • Anthropic’s S-1 showed substantial profitability and enterprise adoption: the company reported nearly $1 billion in GAAP operating income in Q2, with almost 12,000 customers spending over $100,000 annually.
  • Anthropic’s amended S-1 reported Q3 revenue of about $17 billion, up 1,127% year over year, and nine-month revenue of $33.2 billion; it also disclosed $895.4 billion in cumulative compute purchase and lease commitments.
  • The guest argues that AI returns are becoming measurable beyond technology companies. Microsoft planned buyouts or cuts affecting roughly 60,000 employees, about a quarter of its global workforce, while executives tied the savings to funding AI investment.

AI Infrastructure (2)

  • The guest says the $895.4 billion commitment figure overstates firm liabilities because agreements vary in timing and can depend on compute providers meeting performance conditions; even a fraction would still represent a major capital burden.
  • Anthropic expects to spend more than $800 billion on computing infrastructure through 2045, and Blackstone reportedly expects a high-junk credit rating after the IPO rather than an immediate investment-grade rating. The guest says stronger cash flow could eventually lower financing costs.

Models (2)

  • Anthropic allocated 72% of first-half compute to training, research, and internal use, while 25% served paying customers. The guest says shifting training capacity to inference could quickly increase supply, while falling token prices require much faster user growth.
  • The guest sees frontier labs moving toward internal drug discovery and other vertical businesses, where they could capture value from their strongest models directly. Partnerships or joint ventures may limit channel conflict with customers that rely on the same labs for tokens.

Markets (1)

  • Markets punished crowded AI-related positions as expectations met execution risk: Intel suffered its worst single-day move since 1974, and Morgan Stanley data showed the largest recorded monthly hedge-fund reduction in exposure during October.

Big Tech (1)

  • Google’s AI search mode may monetize less effectively than traditional search, while Reddit’s CEO cited search-related traffic concerns. Marty Bent sees Meta’s ad targeting and user engagement as a potential advantage over Google’s search advertising.

Elections (1)

  • Brazil’s election result reversed a market rally driven by expectations of a Bolsonaro win: Lula prevailed, Bolsonaro left the country, and Brazil’s ETF and equities sold off. The guest says Lula’s win complicates U.S. efforts to counter China’s growing regional influence.

Diplomacy (1)

  • The guest says U.S. access to Brazilian rare-earth minerals and broader efforts to strengthen ties across Latin America now face a political setback. Trump’s suggestion that Venezuela could become a prosperous 51st state showed the administration’s continuing interest in the region.

Custody (1)

  • Binance reported a $6.3 billion theft after a North Korean spy allegedly socially engineered an engineer and accessed a laptop, enabling withdrawals across multiple chains. Binance paused withdrawals, set aside $6.34 billion to cover losses, and later reopened withdrawals.

BTC Markets (1)

  • The Binance attackers reportedly swept 18,000 bitcoin and other assets, then used stablecoins in DeFi to borrow ETH and Solana before stablecoin freezes blocked that route. The guest notes Bitcoin fell below $77,000 but remained above a key long-term moving average, echoing past exchange shocks that preceded a market bottom.

Protocol (1)

  • The guest argues Bitcoin’s limited protocol surface reduces security risk compared with chains built around more complex smart-contract systems. The Binance attack reportedly used Ethereum’s EIP-7702 delegation feature, which lets ordinary accounts act like smart contracts.

Coding (1)

  • A Coinbase exercise pointed frontier AI models at Bitcoin Core for weeks and produced two minor bugs, both since patched. The guest says the result reinforces Bitcoin’s status as a heavily reviewed codebase with a comparatively small attack surface.

How the Most AI-Pilled Company in the World Works • Oct 30

  • AI revenue kept growing while legacy businesses weakened, sharpening investor concerns about the cost of the build-out. Amazon and Intel shares fell after results, Google dropped sharply, and the Nasdaq declined; Amazon’s retail and Google’s advertising businesses showed particular weakness.
  • Amazon’s AI spending is being funded by a still-larger legacy business, while Intel’s foundry growth comes with heavy losses. CEO Andy Jassy expects AWS growth to stay above 40%, but the host notes AI businesses are not yet large enough to fund their own expansion.
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Enterprise (3)

  • Weil, Gotshal & Manges filed for Chapter 11 after high-profile lawyers left, succession planning failed, and merger talks collapsed. The host says its bankruptcy is not primarily an AI-disruption story, despite pressure on large firms to adopt AI.
  • Crosby submitted a letter of intent to buy Weil’s brand, trademark, and internal records, and hopes to hire some of its lawyers. Crosby is an AI-enhanced law firm with clients of its own, valued at $400 million and backed by Sequoia, Bain Capital, Lux Capital, and Index Ventures.
  • Weil’s precedent documents, templates, and bankruptcy workflows could be valuable training material, although private client files are not part of the proposed sale. Harneet K. cited a Google bid for Spirit Airlines operational data; GenLegal CEO Ryan Walker argued client ownership makes Weil’s data unacquirable.

AI & Tech (1)

  • Democratic representatives Raskin and Garcia asked Trump whether he used Grok for official advice and demanded preservation of any chatbot logs. Their letter cited reporting that Trump sought Grok’s advice about removing Nicolás Maduro and warned that AI could affect decisions on Venezuela or Iran.

Models (1)

  • Nathaniel Whittemore favors voice input for AI and says he now mostly speaks rather than types. Granola launched a free, unlimited dictation feature that types into any app on Mac, with iOS and Windows versions coming later.

China (1)

  • The New York Times reported that US intelligence surveilled Megaspeed executive Alice Huang over suspected chip diversion and possible information-sharing with Beijing, including information about Jensen Huang. NVIDIA disputed the allegations, while Megaspeed said it hired outside counsel and would cooperate with an evidence-based investigation.

Agents (8)

  • Spawn founder Jacob Sanbury built a gaming platform where players prompt an in-game agent to change a shared world. A 10-person team runs persistent agents with named identities, memory, and company functions; the fleet shipped 77,000 code changes in a month.
  • Spawn spent $3.1 million on tokens in one month, 30 times payroll, and runs 5,000 CPUs, 17 terabytes of RAM, and 150 GPUs on AWS. Sanbury says Fable made the system functional and increased the number of changes the team could ship 500-fold.
  • Spawn assigns agents system access and ownership, then uses helper agents for granular work while employees steer larger decisions with modified Claude Code. Sanbury says OpenAI models game checks, Google models lose coherence, xAI models lack intelligence, and Anthropic models work best but take too little risk.
  • Spawn removed pull requests because agents understood the whole system and spent too much time coordinating. Agents work directly in the codebase, fix breakages as they arise, align the fleet hourly, and run test suites every 15 minutes; about 1,000 of 123,000 changes were reverted over a year.
  • Spawn closes the feedback loop by having player agents report bugs and feature requests directly into the fleet, where a small model triages them. Sanbury described an issue detected eight minutes after affecting a player, diagnosed a minute later, and fixed 11 minutes after that.
  • After Sanbury faced 700 requests, Spawn turned two years of human decisions into principles for AI judges. Judges reuse precedent, return unclear requests for revision, or escalate novel cases; they made over 11,000 decisions in eight days, leaving Sanbury to decide only 27.
  • Spawn’s human engineers now act as rapid-response generalists: they shape product taste, delete work made redundant by new models, and push for ambitions agents would not propose. Sanbury scrapped six months of work covering 70% of the engine and says a prompt about a world 1,000 times GTA’s size led to Spawn’s latest build.
  • Sanbury says agent-first operations require closing the production feedback loop and tolerating agents breaking things; he also warns against forcing agents into human-shaped workflows. Nathaniel Whittemore highlights persistent agent responsibility, shared work context, observability, decision precedent, and human direction as practices other teams can adapt.

The AI Rankings Just Got Reshuffled • Oct 29

  • Hyperscalers appear to want faster data-center expansion but face physical limits in components, power, labor, and local support. Google projected a 50% increase in capital spending next year to $300 billion while undershooting its current-year pace; Oracle and Meta showed similar spending patterns.
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Models (8)

  • Gemini 4 Carbon scored 59 on Artificial Analysis Index v5, a 9-point gain, and led six of eight highlighted benchmarks. It gained 8 points on Terminal Bench 4.0, 6 on Frontier Suite, 12 on Exploit Gym, and 7 on OSWorld.
  • Google released Gemini 4 Carbon two weeks after Argon but limited initial access to cyber defenders and trusted partners while it refined guardrails. Arena reviewer Peter Gostead said Carbon felt much better than Argon; Xiao Zhang described weeks of internal use for ambitious code changes and overnight experiments.
  • Nathaniel Whittemore treats benchmarks as useful comparisons, not verdicts: scores help distinguish models when direct experience is limited, but one test or a combined index cannot establish how a model performs in every real use. Artificial Analysis has repeatedly changed its index as model capabilities and use cases shifted.
  • Artificial Analysis v5 uses mostly private datasets to make benchmark gaming harder. It adds Frontier Code 2.0, judged by whether repository maintainers would merge the code, and Terminal Bench Science; it upgrades Humanity's Last Exam to HLE Diamond and refreshes AA Omniscience and CritPT.
  • The new weighting reshuffled the leaderboard: Opus 5.5 scored 58, Astra rose from sixth to second with 57, and GPT-5.1 Sol climbed from ninth to third. Sonnet 5.5 fell from second to fourth, Terra rose from tenth to fifth, and Kimi K 3.1 Pro dropped from fourth to ninth.
  • Frontier task costs vary sharply by model size and efficiency: GPT-6.1 Terra was cheapest, while Fable 5.1 was most expensive. Opus and Sonnet each cost about $10 per task; Astra cost $6.24, and Gemini 4 Carbon sat in the high-$7 range.
  • Analysts disagree on whether V5's rankings should prioritize scientific research as heavily as agentic coding, and Nathaniel Whittemore says users may need category-specific comparisons. Critics also want leaderboards for medium, high, and extra-high effort settings, since max settings do not reflect typical use.
  • Artificial Analysis added a Progress Index that tracks leading-model capability since November 2022. Lassan Al-Gaib used it to argue that OpenAI's strength comes from reinforcement learning or that its models perform poorly without reasoning; the same analysis estimated the US-China model gap at 3.3 months and narrowing.

Agents (2)

  • V5 removes GDPVal AA in favor of AA Briefcase, AutomationBenchAA, and GDP.PDF, and drops Psycode and AA LCR. Its redesign reflects wider use of agentic coding and research, while improvements to compaction and memory have made long-context performance less decisive than it was in January.
  • Artificial Analysis weights V5 evenly across work, coding, science, and general knowledge and hallucination performance. Coding tests now measure agentic work, and science tests measure agentic research, making the 25% science share a consequential choice rather than a neutral index setting.

Open Source (1)

  • V5 widened the measured gap between leading US proprietary models and open-weight systems. Kyle Chan cautioned that Kimi's weakness is concentrated in science: it scored 34% on Terminal Bench Science versus Astra's 63%, yet scored 67% on Terminal Bench 4.0 and beat Claude on AutomationBenchAA.

Big Tech (2)

  • Microsoft reported Azure growth of 48% and quarterly company revenue of $92.3 billion, up 19%; OpenAI contributed $10 billion, about one-third of Azure revenue. Google Cloud doubled to $30.7 billion, nearly closing the gap with Azure and exceeding Wall Street expectations.
  • Google's AI Mode is weighing on search monetization as users increase AI queries. Search growth slowed, YouTube growth slowed for a third straight quarter, and Google missed earnings partly because of a SpaceX stock markdown; its shares fell as much as 10% after hours despite 25% total revenue growth.

Regulation (1)

  • The DOJ's NVIDIA inquiry now spans more than its Hugging Face deal: Reuters sources describe scrutiny of venture investments, sales practices, customer pressure, and acquisitions including RunAI and SkedgeMD. The investigation also predates NVIDIA's Groq acqui-hire; no charges have been filed, and the probe could end without action.

10/30/26: More Midterm Madness, Pelosi Attacks Abdul, Binance 6 Billion Hack, Mai Vang, Angela Gonzales-Torres • Oct 30

  • Alphabet said AI Mode was generating less advertising revenue than traditional search, even as Google increased monetization pressure on advertisers through broader matching of search terms. Alphabet spent $51.4 billion on capital investment in the third quarter, roughly two-thirds on servers and network equipment, while DoorDash had received only about 200 orders through Meta’s Muse AI.
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Elections (9)

  • The hosts said Trump canceled planned campaign stops in Kansas and Minnesota, then reversed course and scheduled rallies in Iowa and Kansas. Republican sources told the Washington Sun the rallies may be hurting candidates; polls showed Democrat Hamilton leading in Kansas, though the Washington Post warned its own poll had serious sampling problems.
  • J.D. Vance answered a young voter's question about housing costs with a joke about Ohio politician John Husted, then touted a bipartisan bill restricting Wall Street home purchases that Trump had vetoed. The hosts said the exchange showed Vance ignoring the voter's concern and echoing Trump's campaign style.
  • Vivek Ramaswamy’s campaign used an ad featuring Amy Acton’s estranged mother to attack Acton, then cut the ad from a minute to 30 seconds before removing it. The hosts said court records contradicted the mother’s claim that the family never lived in a tent and criticized the campaign for exploiting a visibly unwell woman and retraumatizing the family.
  • Michigan Chronicle reporter Samuel Robinson said Abdul El-Sayed had momentum and expected overwhelming Black support in Detroit, while acknowledging some Republicans would vote for El-Sayed over his positions on Israel and Gaza. Robinson expected turnout to exceed the 2018 non-incumbent election and said early-vote returns could take until 2 or 3 a.m. to count.
  • Robinson said Israel and Gaza are especially salient for Michigan Jewish and Muslim voters, but not the top issue for all voters. He described tension between some Black and Arab communities, warned that Arab American voters may be stereotyped through local disputes, and said Mike Rogers's campaign faced backlash over anti-Muslim rhetoric from some allies.
  • Mai Vang and Angela Gonzalez-Torres challenged Democratic incumbents in California, with Vang saying AIPAC-aligned groups spent heavily against her over her Gaza ceasefire advocacy. Vang said Doris Matsui had loaned her campaign $7 million; Gonzalez-Torres said Jimmy Gomez had accepted substantial AIPAC support and used congressional funds for campaign mailers.
  • Vang said Sacramento's district had shifted from a Democratic advantage of 22 points to 7 after Proposition 50, and described building a campaign with more than 1,000 volunteers. Gonzalez-Torres said DSA-LA helped organize canvassing and community campaigns; Vang cited a 700-person canvass organized with Sacramento DSA and UAW.
  • California candidates said federal election probes and subpoenas were being used to cast doubt on voting, while a judge rejected an effort to block ballots from roughly 20,000 people alleged to be noncitizens. Vang said 22% of ballots had been returned in her district and urged eligible voters not to be intimidated.
  • The hosts discussed two election tactics: a Texas Republican women's group sent students flyers urging gender transition to provoke trans panic, while Alaska's ballot-name controversy drew scrutiny over possible links to the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee and Mary Peltola's campaign. Emily said deceptive tactics can deepen public distrust in elections regardless of party.

Iran (1)

  • Senator Chris Murphy called the administration's Iran war plans “insane,” warning that attacks on civilian infrastructure and Gulf oil capacity could trigger escalation and prolong damage even if the Strait of Hormuz reopened. The hosts also noted reports of missile defenses at Mar-a-Lago and military preparations for mass-casualty scenarios.

Custody (1)

  • Binance disclosed that an attacker may have compromised a DevOps engineer’s laptop, gained access to withdrawal systems, and redirected a hot-wallet transaction through Ethereum’s EIP-7702 mechanism. The hosts reported that roughly $6.3 billion was stolen across blockchains in under 20 minutes, about $3 billion was frozen, and North Korean hackers were suspected.

AI Infrastructure (1)

  • The hosts described a widening cyber risk: an AI agent reportedly accessed classified government systems through a contractor, while freezer systems were hacked at military commissaries and French grocery stores. They said six bases experienced freezer failures as the Pentagon prepared bases to operate without outside supplies for 90 days.

Markets (1)

  • The hosts linked a broad tech-stock selloff to weak earnings and questioned whether AI investment had become a bubble. They cited U.S. third-quarter growth of 3.4%, with 12.7% growth in nonresidential fixed investment and nearly 0.9 percentage points of GDP growth from information-processing equipment, while the S&P 500 remained heavily concentrated in major technology firms.

Health (1)

  • Vang said she would prioritize restoring Medicaid and food-assistance cuts, then pursue oversight of the administration; Gonzalez-Torres emphasized cash assistance, immigrant protections, and long-term cost-of-living relief. Both backed organizing for Medicare for All and getting corporate money out of politics, while Vang also named abolishing ICE as a voter demand.

Media (1)

  • Ryan said John Kiriakou has blamed journalist Matthew Cole for helping expose him after Kiriakou disclosed CIA torture, though Ryan had no firsthand knowledge of that case. Ryan said Cole's handling of Reality Winner's document was a reporting mistake, but prosecutors had other evidence linking Winner to the leak; the episode reinforced the need to protect sources and limit document details.

Google Wants to Custody Banks' Bitcoin. Brazil Shows Why You Hold Your Own | Rabbit Hole Recap 426 • Oct 29

  • Paul Kedrosky’s bear case is that projected AI infrastructure spending needs enormous revenue to earn an adequate return; he also argues frontier labs must assess how many customers need frontier-level models.
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BTC Markets (5)

  • The host argues Bitcoin benefits when central banks devalue fiat currencies, while the current market remains range-bound around $79,000 to $81,500.
  • The host reported Bitcoin at $81,370, a $1.64 trillion market cap, and 1,293 transactions in Clark’s mempool; mempool.space showed 57,846 unconfirmed transactions.
  • Jason Calacanis predicts Bitcoin will never set another all-time high and says investors should favor AI; the host counters that Bitcoin is money and can coexist with AI investments.
  • The hosts cite sharp declines in Brazilian assets after Lula’s victory and argue that Bitcoin self-custody can protect savings from currency and political risk; they also warn Brazil’s PIX and planned Drex enable more state oversight.
  • The host says Bitcoin-backed loan rates are falling as lending capital grows, and argues that rates below home-equity credit would make Bitcoin more attractive collateral because lenders can liquidate it continuously.

Inflation (1)

  • The host says Trump’s stated willingness to tolerate high inflation strengthens Bitcoin’s monetary case, while AI-driven productivity does not remove the need to store wealth in hard money.

Startups (1)

  • The hosts disagree on Anthropic’s prospects: one expects AI firms to face a shakeout, while the other says its S-1 looked stronger than feared and argues missing Q3 figures reflect filing deadlines.

Safety (3)

  • The hosts flag Anthropic’s concentrated control as a governance concern: its team retains majority ownership, while a five-person trust appoints the board despite the company’s stated risk of catastrophic harm.
  • The host says scammers recruit teenagers through Roblox and Discord to call victims and steal Bitcoin, sometimes with Russian involvement; the host urges people not to answer unknown callers.
  • Coinbase tested five leading models with 16 agents against Bitcoin Core code and found two minor issues; the hosts say AI-assisted review supports faster patching, while warning developers not to surrender independent judgment.

Elections (2)

  • Brazil’s election drew allegations of irregularities: the host says voting hours were extended in Lula-favorable districts and Flavio Bolsonaro faced pressure to remain in Brazil, while acknowledging the reports were unconfirmed.
  • The host treats Senator Alex Padilla’s call to investigate Elon Musk without citing a specific crime as a warning sign of political targeting, and says socialist proposals in New York will face budget and implementation limits.

Models (1)

  • Lula promised sovereign Brazilian AI powered by domestic renewable energy; the host questions whether Brazil can create the economic conditions to deliver it and warns that state-controlled AI could shape permitted information.

Israel (1)

  • Israel’s election produced no clear governing majority, leaving coalition negotiations ahead; the host notes a record showing for Arab parties and says both likely governing blocs oppose a two-state solution and take a hard line on Iran.

Protocol (2)

  • Bitcoin Core disclosed two denial-of-service vulnerabilities involving unbounded memory growth; both were patched, and the hosts urged node operators to update while describing the flaws as medium severity.
  • Layer 2 Labs delayed its eCash fork-related release after Bitcoin Core’s vulnerability fixes and told node and pool operators to update before the fork point; the hosts support testing drivechains but dispute their proposed economics and trust assumptions.

Privacy (1)

  • The hosts discussed PISA, a regtest prototype combining PayJoin with cross-input signature aggregation to make transaction ownership harder to infer; PayJoin, Lightning, and ecash already offer privacy tools, while PISA would require a soft fork for mainnet.

Coding (1)

  • A GitHub deletion removed private forks of a startup’s repository after Anthropic acquired the original owner; the startup recovered its code from an employee’s laptop, exposing the risk of relying on a hosted repository alone.

Custody (1)

  • Google previewed an MPC custody service for financial institutions, with key shares held in separate hardware enclaves; the hosts see it as Fireblocks competition but stress that Google’s coordination layer differs from native Bitcoin multisig and FROST.

Markets (1)

  • The hosts connect institutional custody and tokenization efforts to always-on markets: ICE invested in Trade.xyz, a Hyperliquid-based derivatives venue, while Stan Druckenmiller’s first tweet promoted Hyperliquid.

Regulation (1)

  • The host says Fairshake remains active in election spending and Senator Bill Hagerty continues to push market-structure legislation; the host also notes a Thai court ruling that Bitcoin can be owned, transferred, and stolen as property.

Social Media (1)

  • The hosts warn that algorithm-driven posts about grid shutdowns and election emergencies can amplify panic; one host recalls New York blackouts becoming dangerous after the first day, while acknowledging the city has handled outages before.

Media (1)

  • The hosts briefly discussed Kanye West’s apology op-ed and uncertainty about which venues will book his tour; they also recalled seeing Daft Punk and speculated that the group could reunite for a lucrative tour.